Wed, Feb. 7th, 2007, 04:47 pm
apathy4_10: NewsieSues and Accents
Alright well this is my first post since I'm a new Livejournal user. Anyway, I was going through the posts and decided to post this up.
First, hi, how is everyone? Great? Haha, okay. I'm working on a newsie fic and I've decided to come and ask for some opinions on things. I'm working on a series of original stories and I've been trying out characters in fan-fictions. Also I've been trying to progress my style while figuring out what kind of genres I prefer.
Enough about all that, I have some questions about writing newsie fics. If anyone would answer that would be great.
1. Would it be better to have the newsie accent in the dialogue?
2. Is it possible to have a female character put into the newsie universe without her being a Mary-Sue? Or at least an obvious Mary-Sue?
3. Are there characters that you think are ignored or misrepresented? Like Oscar and Morris always trying to attack the girl.
4. What are plot lines that are over-used? Is there something that you would really enjoy seeing in a storyline?
5. Are details important? Like describing something simple like characters hanging out instead of saying something simple such as "they ate and left. It was fun."
Just some questions that can help me make sure I don't disgrace Newsies too much. I do have a plot line that I'm hoping will be more interesting than others but still I would like to have opinions.
Wed, Feb. 7th, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC)
1. No. Personally, I hate when the accent is written in. I hate because they put it on EVERY word. 'dat goil ovah der'...Some accent is fine, such as taking g's off of -ing words such as 'watchin''
2. It's possible but very difficult. Usually, mary-sues are the focal point of the story. If you need to put an OC in there, don't make every aspect of the story revolve around them.
3. Crutchy, Jake and Snoddy are often ignored. Oscar and Morris are often misrepresented. I don't see them randomly attacking a girl for no reason (and that's not just because Oscar's one of my favorite characters). They attacked Sarah to get to David to, by extension, get to Jack.
4. "OMG DA ONLY GIRL NEWSIE STEALS [insert male character's name]'s HEART" is way overdone. There were girl newsies. Your original character isn't 'hardcore' because she's the only one. Believe me, there are many. I never usually read het anyway so there aren't really any storylines I'd want to see except, if your character is a female newsboy, don't make her incredibly tough and hardcore. These are proud boys, they don't want some girl putting them in their place. Also, don't make them play poker. That's way too overdone. In fact, Race--the notorious gambler--is never actually SEEN playing poker. In fact, he's seen playing craps, not poker, with Skittery and Les before Seize the Day.
5. Details are VERY important. Keep it descriptive but not overdrawn. Don't describe every little aspect of the room or what the characters are wearing. It's fine to say 'Spot brushed the honey colored hair out of his eyes and smirked knowingly'. Also, if you want to describe your OC, fine. But put in setting description as well. Most of the stories with OCs center around the OC's appearance only rather than setting or the other characters. I know we know what the others look like but I happen to like descriptions. Like saying Jack has 'mahogany eyes' or Spot 'hair like a soot-streaked sunset'.
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 05:23 am (UTC)
Uh, is this the same FriskyWallabee who is the author of "Don't Ask Me Why"?
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 11:55 am (UTC)
*checks label on underwear* Yes...yes, I am. ^^
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)
Aha, sorry. This is Oxymoronic Alliteration and I'm a big fan of that fic.
PS Hot icon!
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 10:18 pm (UTC)
No need to apologize...sorry if my comment seemed rude. XD
Oh, I love your reviews (and your stories, you're very talented).
Mind if I friend you?
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
Oh, no, I just didn't want to seem like a creepy stalker or whatnot (because I've had encounters with some).
Absolutley, I was going to ask to friend you!
Wed, Feb. 7th, 2007 10:44 pm (UTC)
Hello! You have to come tell us when your story is posted.
1. Oh, seriously, you don't need to. It's better to use speech patterns than written out dialects any day. Maybe a truncated -ing (-in') or two.
2. Oh, it's definitely possible. Just make sure that she isn't the focal point of every newsie, that she doesn't have extraneous talents like singing or dancing that have nothing to do with the story but make everyone admire her, and that her past isn't too tragic. She probably shouldn't be rich, either, because those always turn out badly.
3. Oscar and Morris - yes, very yes. Friskywallabee said it best.
4. Rich girls meets newsie, they fall in love, it's so star-crossed and she hates being a lady <- very overdone. Girl joins the newsies, they all love her <- also overdone. Are there any other plots?
5. Yes, details are important. But sometimes you need to be concise, so it depends on the place. I wouldn't overly describe your girl or her clothes in the narrative, because that's a Sue-marker. Also: food descriptors are laughed at a lot by sporkers. (See: Jack Sparrow's chocolate orbs, Hermione's caramel eyes, &c.)
I ... don't think you can disgrace this fandom, sadly.
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 11:06 pm (UTC)
I will of course let you all know when my story is up. Hehe, then we can have fun sporking it. ^_^
Rich girls meets newsie, they fall in love, it's so star-crossed and she hates being a lady <- very overdone. Girl joins the newsies, they all love her <- also overdone. Are there any other plots?
The story I'm working on is in the research stage at the moment, but the character I'm inserting works at a textile factory. She meets Les and hears about the strike which leads to textile workers trying to imitate the newsie strike. I watched a movie about the Molly Maguires and was thinking of incorporating it in with the story.
She doesn't know too many newsies though since I don't want her to be buddy buddy with many. I dunno if she'll ever like one of them unless once I flesh her out she seems to work with one. *shrug* Anyway, more like how the newsie strike influences the other child labor departments.
It's true that those story lines are overdone though. I have trouble trying to separate them in my head to make sure they don't mix into one giant story filled with girl newsies and rich ladies. Ha.
Thu, Feb. 8th, 2007 01:52 am (UTC)
1) The thing about the newsie accent is knowing when too much is too much. Don't write out the exact ebonics of everything they say. It's one thing to have a character say "I was just thinkin' that maybe I ain't such a high an' mighty fella after all" and having him say "I was jus dinkin' dat mebbe I ain't such a ha 'n mity fella ater all." Use the accent by all means, but in moderation. Less is more.
2)It is possible, but difficult. The main thing is make her real. That means flaws, strengths, pet peeves, her own reactions to things, her own way of dealing with things. She can't be good at everything
. Also, expand on her character even beyond what you think you'll need, so you have a lot of choices. I can't tell you how many casting call submissions I've seen in which the personality description is simply "She likes to sing, she's sweet and shy, she has a sense of humor, she is afraid of spiders" and the physical appearance is simply "brown hair, green eyes, skinny". You should know this character inside and out. You own't need to include everything in your fic, but it allows you more choices.
3) YES! Sure the Delancys are bullies, but even they rest some times. I think that's a great example.
4) Overused: time travel fics (unless there is some new twist on it), Blink getting his date with the Mayor's daughter, long lost sisters, finding raped girls in alley ways. As for storylines I'd like to see, I can't think of one off the top of my head, but just do something that is more of your idea of a great story and less your way of living out your romantic/sexual fantasies with *insert newsie name here*
5) Details or certianly important, but like the accent, you need to know when to stop. It can be hard sometimes, but in this case, I think I'd rather more description rather than less.
Also, let me just say do some research. Historical accuracy is important to me, at least to an extent. I'm sure you would never do this, but I have
read fics in which women wear jeans and tnak tops (and they were non-time travel 1899 fics) and the newsies talk like 1980's punks. I wish you the bets of luck with your fics, though!